cairistiona: (Winter Soldier)

(Ugh, you have no idea how long it took me to repost this from tumblr. Involved updating browsers, clearing caches, and ultimately opening a support request to LJ, all because my LJ developed the dreaded "greyed out preview/post button" issue. But all's fixed now. Kudos to LJ staff for getting back to me on it so quickly. And I do not say that sarcastically.)

Anyway... I put this up on tumblr and decided I also wanted it here (and at my woefully neglected DW), because I have Marvel fan buddies here, where, hey wow... we can actually easily DISCUSS META. Which I can't do over on tumblr because tumblr is fun for a lot of things but stupid when it comes to trying to actually converse.

Here 'tis. Feel free to share thoughts.

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cairistiona: (b&w sword)
(Before we get started, does anyone want to get out... oops, sorry... wrong quote... what I mean to say is that for some bizarre reason, I suddenly can't use LJ to post. My post button is all greyed out, and I went through LJ's sorry suggested steps to try to fix it and nada. So... crossposting from DW for the time being.)

This is a meta post I put up on tumblr about MCU Steve Rogers and what his DC apartment says about his state of mind. It occured to me that I wanted it in a more handy online location, plus there fellow Cap fans here that I don't *think* are on tumblr or are only on there sporadically and may have missed my brilliant pontifications. :D  Just kidding. Not really brilliant but just some headcanon I'm sorting out. Also, it's way easier to Discuss All The Things here than on tumblr. So... here's the post, which should have the concept art first. If there's no photo, then go here to see it.


“Well, Steve Rogers woke up 50 or 60 years later and is in a completely different world from the 1940s. So, we’re dealing with how the world has changed.

“For instance his apartment is kind of unsettled. He hasn’t really unpacked anything. He doesn’t feel moved into his apartment and his world. That was a conscious design decision. It was supposed to feel unsettled and uncomfortable.
“ - James Carson, concept artist CA:TWS (x

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Some thoughts as I sort out my own headcanon for Steve Rogers, mostly because I’m working on a fic set in Steve’s apartment building, and I’m also thinking about doing an entire series set within the building, exploring the relationships between Steve and his neighbors and what having Captain America living in your building might be like.

So… there’s a lot of fanon out there about Steve being a neatnic, not a book out of place, everything orderly and lined up with military precision, which is logical, given that’s how a lot of veterans do keep their homes. I know my own father, an Army veteran, would drive my mother nuts by always lining up the knick-knacks in militarily precise rows after he dusted (she didn’t complain *too* much; he did dust the house, after all). Looking at the concept art above and comparing to how it translated into the actual movie sets, you can see some of that in how Steve lives. Everything is clean and dusted and there are some things that are neatly put away, like his records in the record cabinet below the turntable. But… there’s also a lot of unfinished stuff.  Framed photos of loved ones aren’t hanging on the walls yet, dishes are on the shelves but not really neatly arranged (in the movie more than in the concept art). The books are still somewhat haphazard on their shelves and piled on the floors (I love how many books there are. Steve Rogers, bibliophile! My headcanon now includes him digging through dusty used book stores, trying to find early 20th century editions of books because that’s what he read when he was a kid and a young man, and holding onto familiar books is so damned comforting).

The artist wanted to show that Steve hasn’t settled into his new life yet, and the way they eventually built the set is definitely visual testament to the turmoil that Steve was suffering. There’s still strength; loss hasn’t driven Steve to any compulsive hoarding disorders nor has he so given up that he doesn’t keep the place presentable, if a little more ‘lived-in’ than one might think he would otherwise. He (with adorable awkwardness) invites the pretty blonde next door over to use his washer & dryer for the price of a cup of coffee, after all (and that scene makes my heart ache… he’s so lonely. Ugh. He is still so very much awkward skinny Steve despite being turned into a giant and the poster boy for Wow What a Hunk of Male Wonderfulness). So there’s nothing about his place that he’s ashamed of. That speaks well of his basic mental health.

Before I go on, full disclosure: I’m not big on the ‘suicidal Steve’ scenarios in so many fics, the ones that have him all but non-functional. Not hating on those that do, because fanfiction is for exploring all roads. It’s just not my own headcanon. I do think he certainly could experience some transient depressive moments of that severity and indeed is most likely in an extended period of transient/reactive depression because… yeah, who wouldn’t be?? It’s fairly obvious he’s not in a good state of mind from the moment he loses Bucky until the events we see unfold in CA:TWS, but I don’t think it’s as black and permanent as is often portrayed in fics. I see in him an ability to assess himself and eventually adapt passing well to his new life, coping with PTSD, moral injury, all those issues, because, in no small part, I don’t see how the serum would allow for the various chemical imbalances in the brain that lead to the more severe clinical depression and related mental illness that fic writers ascribe to him. His body heals quickly; so surely must his brain, though mood and emotion transcend the mere physical. Anyway, that’s getting into something more complex than I feel able to tackle, so I’ll stop before this thing turns into a dissertation instead of just a post. Armchair psychology on a fictional character, wheee! Definitely a lot of YMMV in this essay.

Back to the apartment. No impassable suicidal abyss, but there is… avoidance. The things on the wall are fairly impersonal, reflecting his interests (motorcycles, for one) but not really his deeper affections. No Peggy, no Bucky, no Momma (FWIW, I take that spelling from the comics, can’t remember which one). Maybe those are in the bedroom, which we never see, but I have a feeling any photos of them, other than the one of Peggy in his compass, are still locked away in boxes (and in sketch books) because it’s something he’s not ready to have staring at him every day (except when he’s sketching). His trips to the Smithsonian and the moments in those Avengers deleted scenes where he’s looking through SSR files and watching videos are probably somewhat infrequent, done when he feels strong enough to face his grief and see if he’s beyond the pain enough to find comfort. I… doubt the comfort outweighs the pain just yet, though he still has to try. (I’m admittedly basing this conclusion on my own experience. I recently lost both parents, my mother in 2013 and my father just last fall, and perhaps that’s coloring my interpretation here. While I have been able to dig through a lot of their belongings and sort out some things, I have hit a brick wall when it comes to sorting through photos. It’s still too soon, and I see in Steve’s apartment a very real sense of “it’s still too soon”.)

In my headcanon, I think his friendship with Sam Wilson and then later with Sharon Carter will help immensely, as will whatever relationship he can re-establish with Bucky, once Bucky gets sorted out. His own sense of wanting his life to count for something and make the world better will be a source of strength as he goes forward. Steve’s apartment, if he continues to live in DC, will eventually become a warmer, more inviting place. It will eventually be imbued with a sense of home (and please Marvel, do that for this poor guy in the MCU!). But at the time period between his thawing, the Battle of New York and the trauma of CA:TWS and beyond, he’s not going to be unpacking those boxes any time soon.

Poor Steve.



cairistiona: (Happy Aragorn)
Jan 4-9 still open for questions. :)

January 3: lindahoyland If I got the chance, should I watch "The Winter Soldier" and if so why might I like it as the summary reads much like any other action/adventure thriller.I find endless fights very boring.

Ahh, a moment to reflect on my favorite Marvel movie! I don't want to be too spoilery, in case you do end up watching it, but at the same time, I feel I can't address some of the things that make it an amazing film and address what you fear will be nothing but boring fight scenes without being spoilery. So... I'll put the spoilery discussion under the cut, where you can read more if you wish, but "above/below the cut", I'll just say that it's much, much more than a mere "action" film.

That said, there's no getting around it that this movie is definitely an "action" film, but it's also a suspense thriller--between the action scenes there are many threads weaving together both about character and about larger plot issues. Larger plot aside, however, at its heart I feel it's a character-driven film. Steve Rogers (Captain America)'s arc from the first movie through the 2nd (and also in The Avengers) is fascinating to watch unfold, and more than heartbreaking. It's a classic "man out of time" tale, with added elements of grief, loss, and "keep calm and carry on" and "always do what your gut says is the right thing". Cap is very Aragorn-like, especially if you think of Aragorn's line about "good and evil have not changed since yesteryear" line. He has a strong moral center that goes beyond allegiance to any government or agency, and that unshakeable moral code becomes hugely important in Winter Soldier. A word about Chris Evans: he's really evolving as an actor. While a little less skilled in the first film but still very watchable (and not only for the shirtless scenes!), he really takes his acting up several notches in CA:TWS and has you feeling all the wrenching sadness that informs much of his character's life. (Also, I really do think that in real life, Chris Evans is Steve Rogers. Because he does things like this. All.the.time. He's just... ugh. All that a human should be, he is. So is Sebastian Stan, for that matter, but I digress....)Very spoilery bits... )

I also have to speak about the score--it's not epic Howard Shore type music, but like Shore's TH & LOTR score, it's incredibly effective in drawing out the emotional undercurrents of every scene, whether it's a hostage rescue on a pirated ship, a car chase through the streets of Washington DC, or a poignant scene of friendship and loss. Sometimes it's little more than a felt-more-than-heard bass pulsebeat, other times a simple, poignant piano, and with the Winter Soldier scenes, it's a jarring mix of dischordant harmonies and electronic static that's a perfect auditory representation of the chaos going on within the Winter Soldier's mind. And sometimes there's no score at all and the silence itself adds emotion to the scene. Really just a well-edited movie all the way around in that regard.

Yes, there *are* long fights and battles... this is a Marvel movie after all... but like The Avengers and Iron Man 1, it's also a strong character piece. Paired with Captain America: The First Avenger, it's a master class in how to take a comic book character from the 1940s to the modern era and make him relevant (the plot of WS really does have huge relevance to what's going on in the world today).

And of course, there's the usual Marvel humor sprinkled throughout. Aside from his strong moral center, Cap's self-deprecating humor and subtle (and not so subtle) sarcasm are another thing that to my mind connects him with Aragorn. There's wonderful friendships in the film. Natasha Romanoff (Scarlet Johannson) and Sam Wilson (the dude with wings) become unshakeable friends and supporters. Sam Wilson especially is such a treat--he's a veteran soldier himself, runs support groups at the VA for PTSD victims, and sees Cap's emotional struggles and sorrows and helps him in a lot of subtle ways even as he fights alongside him. Sam Wilson is definitely a Halbarad/Faramir to Steve Rogers' Aragorn. Or even moreso, perhaps: Sam is Sam to Cap's Frodo.

And there is banter. :)

Also... Peggy Carter. She's Cap's love interest and... *flails*... she's an amazing, strong female character who features in both films (and has her own mini-series on American television starting next Tuesday... I can't wait.) I love Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff (Scarlett Johanson's character) but Agent Carter is... yeah, I start to squee when I see her come on screen. LOL

I would recommend, if you decide to give it a go, to first watch Captain America: The First Avenger. You might also watch The Avengers if you want the entire Captain America story arc, though I think you could get by without it. You might miss a few references and some of Steve Rogers' character arc, but the Cap films stand alone from The Avengers fairly well. If you give The Avengers a miss, then you might want to at least watch this missing scene clip, which shows Cap's sorrow and struggle to fit into the modern era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov4qMSfg9w

Oh, and one more thing: as always with Marvel films, watch the scene at the end of the credits. *Especially* with Winter Soldier. There's a mid-credits scene that probably won't mean much to you since you're not familiar with the overarching Marvel mythos that connects all the films, but the end-credit scene is a must see.

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